False rape stats and wikipedia

Somewhat to my surprise wikipedia has a page about false accusations of rape. It’s quite basic though and of course feminist-friendly. It tries to pin the number of false rape accusations around 8-9% but there are obvious signs of stat manipulations like this:

The FBI’s 1996 Uniform Crime Report states that 8% of reports of forcible rape were determined to be unfounded upon investigation, but that percentage does not include cases where an accuser fails or refuses to cooperate in an investigation or drops the charges.

What really caught my interest was Kanin’s Report and its criticisms.

In Kanin’s report a rape accusation is considered false only if the complainant admits that no rape had occurred. “She is the sole agent who can say that the rape charge is false“. The result? “The number of false rape allegations in the studied period was 45; this was 41% of the 109 total complaints filed in this period.

His main critic – according to wiki – is David Lisak, who said:

[Dr. Kanin] simply reiterates the opinions of the police officers who concluded that the cases in question were ‘false allegations’.

WTF?! It was explicitly stated that complainants have to admit the accusation was false. What does this have to do with police officer’s opinions?!

the police department from which Kanin derived his data used or threatened to use the polygraph in every case… The fact that it was the standard procedure of this department provides a window on the biases of the officers who conducted the rape investigations

WTF?! The poligraph is a tool for finding liars. If the accuser does not lie she has nothing to fear. Using poligraphs is not “bias”, for fuck’s sake, it’s called “investigating”. If the falsely accused is denied the use of a poligraph, now that’s bias, feminist bias.

Lisak: Kanin’s 1994 article on false allegations is a provocative opinion piece, but it is not a scientific study.
(…)
wikipedia: Lisak later performed his own study, published in 2010 in Violence Against Women

I can only imagine how much more “scientific” Lisak’s study was, written for a piece of feminist propaganda. Must be like his research on rapists, in which he “finds”:

“date rape” or acquaintance rape does not, as is commonly thought, result from misunderstanding or failure for the parties to communicate, nor is it a one-time mistake
(…)
Approximately 1 in 16 men, using Lisak’s survey, reported that they had committed rape.

Fuck off, scumbag, just fuck off. Is this a real scientific finding? It’s a misandric piece of bullshit.

serial rapists accounting for 90% of campus rapes

Considering that most campuses go on for years without a single real rape case, these imaginary “serial rapists” are not very industrious, so to speak.

“Somehow all we can do is take the statement from the victim. Take the statement from the alleged perpetrator and then throw up our hands because they are saying conflicting things… That’s not how we investigate other crimes.”

I reckon this might have to do something with other crimes having some type of evidence, scumbag. The only way to resolve a “he said – she said” case is by using a poligraph… Which you are strictly against. It’s clear which side you’re on.

And this menhating piece of shit talks about science. Unbelievable. But all this stuff on him from wikipedia is far from the worst. How do you like the title of one of his “studies”: Sexual Aggression, Masculinity, and Fathers“? Disgusting. The first sentence: “The feminist critique of rape has broadened the scope of social scientists’ efforts to understand why men rape.Men don’t rape, fucktard. Rapists do. Your feminist allegiance excludes you from the ranks of scientists, and also from decent human beings.

Finally, for some LOLz: Lisak received his PhD from Duke University.

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10 Responses to False rape stats and wikipedia

  1. Dave says:

    Here‘s why you should be somewhat skeptical of polygraphs. (Although, given their reputation, the threat of sending you to one might scare those thinking of making false claims enough into telling the truth).

  2. TDOM says:

    While I believe that false rape allegations are more common than the “accepted” figure of about 8-10%, there are problems with the Kanin study. First, accusers recant for all sorts of reasons, not just because they lied. Many simply don’t want to go through with the prosecution. Despite efforts to make the system more “victim friendly” it is still traumatic. Second, his sample was limited. 109 cases from only a couple of police departments is not a sufficient sample to base a general conclusion upon. the attitude of the police officers may have played a role, so might the offering of a lie detector. Accusers may have felt pressured to recant. On the other hand, Kanin’s only criteria for determining an allegation to be false was the accuser’s recantation. Many accusers would refuse to recant even if lying. therefore there may be a problem with over-reporting of false allegations on one hand and under-reporting on the other. this makes his results highly questionable.

    I haven’t read Lisak’s study, but his opening sentece is certainly enough to discern his bias against men in general. I would therefore be highly skeptical of his results as well.

    The simple fact is that very few rape allegations can be proven and very few can be disproven. The vast majority can be called “unsubstantiated,” where the “fact” or “fiction” cannot be determined.

    TDOM

  3. Clarence says:

    I’m going to agree with about 75 percent of your post, but back up the two criticism above. I am aware, for instance, of no scientific study or scientific forensic organization that believes polygraphs have any real use in determining whether someone is telling the truth or not, and I’ve been dealing with arguments every now and again about polygraphs for most of the past 20 years. Take that for what it is worth, but if nothing else I urge you to read up on what a polygraph actually measures and how the tests are conducted, personally many police departments don’t use them and of those that do many *I think* rely on the general publics ignorance to get confessions by pretending to have a lie detector machine. Plus polygraphs can be defeated if one has an internally calm mental state which can be because one is a psychopath or one is crazy and actually believes the lies one is telling to be the truth, meanwhile an innocent person is often nervous at the adversial nature of questioning.

  4. Deansdale says:

    accusers recant for all sorts of reasons, not just because they lied
    That might be true but still the real percentages can only be higher than 8-10%.
    On a side note, if a genuine rape victim recants her story for whatever reason other then serious death threats it shows that rape is not the worst possible crime ever, like feminists try to depict it. With the current rape shield laws it’s not so traumatizing to come forward as it was long ago. I figure much of those “false recantations” come from date rapes or acquaintance rapes where there was no real rape (only morning-after regret) and the accuser realizes that it’s a very serious legal procedure which can destroy the life of the guy with whom she had sex willingly.

    his sample was limited
    That’s true. You see, your criticisms are valid, unlike Lisak’s.

    Many accusers would refuse to recant even if lying. therefore there may be a problem with over-reporting of false allegations on one hand and under-reporting on the other. This makes his results highly questionable.
    I’d say these inaccuracies on both sides of the scale more-or-less even things out, so I tend to find his results believable. Of course they are not perfectly spot on but that would be impossible anyways.

    The simple fact is that very few rape allegations can be proven and very few can be disproven. The vast majority can be called “unsubstantiated,” where the “fact” or “fiction” cannot be determined.
    This is also true but then polygraphs could only help in a situation like this, don’t you think?
    About polygraphs… I’ve never faced one, but I know that there are different types with different effectiveness. Overall my opinion is that polygraphs should be used and the results should be considered by the jury/judge. Of course if the test shows both parties to be lying or telling the truth it’s not much help, but if one party seems to be lying while the other is telling the truth now that’s something to consider. The chances for a liar to fool the test and at the same time the falsely accused showing a false positive is extremely small.

    Also, on an angry side note, if we allow the use of penile plethysmographs on sex offenders then nobody should call polygraphs “pseudo-science”.

  5. TDOM says:

    “…if a genuine rape victim recants her story for whatever reason other then serious death threats it shows that rape is not the worst possible crime ever, like feminists try to depict it. With the current rape shield laws it’s not so traumatizing to come forward as it was long ago.”

    While I’ll agree that it is not nearly as traumatic to come forward as it used to be, rape is still quite traumatic and rehashing it over and over, undergoing the invasive medical examinations, etc. is still quite traumatic. I can certainly understand why a woman wouldn’t want to go through that.

    “I’d say these inaccuracies on both sides of the scale more-or-less even things out…”

    Maybe, maybe not. It’s difficult to tell and there isn’t any scientific evidence to back it up. This makes his results unreliable from a scientific perspective. I wouldn’t dismiss his study as meaningless, but I don’t put much creedence in his results. Basically, what one can gather from this study is that false allegations exist and are somewhat prevalent.

    “This is also true but then polygraphs could only help in a situation like this, don’t you think?”

    No. I took a ploygraph as a condition of employment once. I was accused of lying on a question when I told the truth, but lied on a question that went undetected. I don’t have much faith in them.

    TDOM

  6. Deansdale says:

    It’s difficult to tell and there isn’t any scientific evidence to back it up.
    There are no “proper” scientific results whatsoever on the subject of rape. It will never be objectively explored, the results quantified, etc. There are so many unknown variables (like lies, distortions, unreported cases, etc.) that it is practically unresearchable.
    All we can do is make educated guesses, and some of us do it better than others. I think Lisak is a feminist piece of shit who talks big about science but he’s just a self-flagellating mangina on a mission. Kanin at least seems to be free of harmful political agendas. He’s just presenting us some facts as he found them. His research is as “scientific” as it can be, and as any other research out there.

    I understand your points, most of them are of course valid, but since it is literally impossible to conduct perfect research on rape I reckon we should at least weed out politically motivated propaganda-bullshit and see what the rest of the material shows. It’s still not perfect but so be it. At least it’s a lot closer to the truth than the feminist rhetoric will ever be.

  7. K(yle) says:

    There is the famous example of Aldritch Ames. Selling information to the Soviets while working for the CIA. He was suspected and given a polygraph, and asked his handlers how to defraud it. The Soviets didn’t have polygraph technology, so Ames sent it to them. Upon analyzing it, their advice to him was simply to stay calm.

    He did, and passed the test. That is basically all that the polygraph is testing. It might detect if you are lying, unless you are a good liar. It might detect that you are lying while telling the truth if you are simply too nervous though.

  8. Deansdale says:

    Okay, but the average american woman is not a spy, and wouldn’t stay calm for a minute anyways :)

  9. Dawn says:

    Hi there! I came across your post when I was looking up stats on false rape allegations. It sounds like you feel pretty strongly about the topic (putting it mildly). :)

    That said: a few years ago I was researching the same topic (but for another reason), and came across the FBI crime stats report, and by their account, 96% of sexual assaults were perpetrated by men, so yes, rapists do commit rape, and the majority of rapists also happen to be male. I’m trying to figure out if your concern is more about the idea of men being seen broadly and unfairly as rapists or if it is something else. Because I agree that most of the men I have known in my life are awesome, stand-up kind of guys, and they would step in in a heartbeat if they saw another man acting like an ass to a woman. But there are, unfortunately, also guys who don’t do shit (see Steubenville ca 2012).

    I also want to jump in and say that most sexual assaults go unreported. I work for a large university, and in the anonymous senior survey, 45 seniors reported being sexually assaulted in their time at the college; only 8 reported it to an administrator, and only 1 (a male) reported his assault to the police. So I’m interested in hearing what you make of this.

  10. Deansdale says:

    Hi!

    I am an advocate for fairness, so you could say that I feel strongly about the topic, which is mired in lies, falsehoods and propaganda. What I have a big problem with is radicals trying to paint all men as (potential) rapists.

    In general sexual assaults are committed by men. Of course women can rape, but it’s much more rare. (I don’t consider an acceptable dose of “persuasion” to be rape in case of people already in relationships, regardless of who’s initiating it.) But that does not mean that men in general are rapists. According to official crime statistics less than 1% of women are raped each year, so few that even if you multiply the official numbers by the feminist scaremongering it’s still less than 1% per year. Which means that less than 1% of men are rapists.

    45 seniors assaulted at a large university means ~8-9 cases per year, which is unbelievably far from the “1 in 4” feminist propaganda. And I reckon it includes cases which are not rape (assault is a broader category). It seems I’m right in my opinion that rape is very rare and most men are not rapists.

    False accusations are becoming ever more frequent, thanks to the general moral decline, the burgeoning female entitlement complex and the lack of proper punishment. Women are making false accusations for things as trivial as to escape a 13$ taxi fare. It isn’t polcorrect to talk about this but it’s true nevertheless. The rate of false accusations is hard to determine, there are estimates ranging from 8% to 80%. (Let’s just forget the oft-debunked 2% feminist myth.) This is a serious problem in its own right.

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