This was intended to be a comment at Manboobz’ but after trying posting it for 5 minutes I said “WTF” to myself and decided to post it here. I was already unable to post comments there with Firefox (which I use 99.9% of the time) but now – after he made some restrictions on commenting policies – even IE f*cks up 9 times of 10. It’s either a bug or a feature, I don’t care; I will not fight tooth and nail just to post a comment somewhere.
[UPDATE: it was the spam filter]
This post contains no new and exciting revelations for those who have read the comments section at my Big Debate post, but I will post it here nevertheless so the work I’ve put into it doesn’t go to waste :)
Anyways, here’s cat’s comment first, then my response to it [an improved version compared to what finally went through the spam filter there]:
@Deansdale, I accused Eoghan of concern trolling, that is pretending to care about a group solely as a pretext to bash another group. I never accused you of being a concern troll, you are just an outright vocal bigot. Your hatred of queer people is blatantly obvious, as compared to Eoghan’s simple lack of concern except as an excuse (based solely from what I have seen of Eoghan here, he loves to concern troll, but I do not recall him engaging in any direct queerphobia).
(I debunked the absurd ‘lesbians are escpecially violent’ theory already in this comment thread on this blog http://manboobz.blogspot.com/2010/09/no-sperm-no-peace-crazy-mra-quote-of.html#comments with citations to sources, so anyone who wants to can go read it there, because I am not going to rehash it here)
“Your hatred of queer people is blatantly obvious”
Because I said that LGBT issues are overrated?
LOL! Get real.
Or because I’ve said that lesbian DV is high? I have my own sources too, you know.
Let’s see about your “debunking”…
“same sex domestic violence happens at comparable rates as opposite sex domestic violence”
Only if you average gay and lesbian violence, and that is because gay violence is rarer while lesbian violence is more frequent, as evidenced by tons of research, for example:
“Preliminary studies show that 22% to 46% of all lesbians have been in a physically violent same-sex relationship. (…) of the 1,000 gay men surveyed, 17% reported having been in a physically violent gay relationship.” excerpted from Violence in gay and lesbian domestic partnerships. Now, according to the CDC data the rate of reciprocal violence is ~11.9% out of all relationships, and men are sole perpetrators of DV in 3.5% of all relationships thus meaning that even if we consider women in reciprocally violent relationships “victims”, the rate of all “victimized” women is still only 15.4%. It doesn’t take a nobel prize in maths to figure out that 15.4% is much lower than 22-46%.
Other studies have found similar results, such as:
“abuse (…) in a same sex relationship (…) 40.1% of the female” in Comparing domestic abuse in same sex & heterosexual relationships and
“Female previous relationships / Hit, kicked, pushed or thrown things at you: 36.5%” in Fair’s Fair.
“the risk of one [lesbian] partner being battered is comparable to that of a hetero woman being battered”
“MRAs hate lesbians”
What MRAs hate is retarded baseless accusations backed up by nothing else than feminazi bigotry, but hey.
Also, I couldn’t help noticing that the sources you cite to back you up are not independent studies but feminist ones. Sorry, but until you accept my challenge and win I don’t give a damn about feminist research because it is tainted by political agendas. Prove me wrong and then we’ll talk.
A lesbian feminist activist saying that lesbians have less violence than stated by independent research proves exactly nothing besides the dishonesty of said lesbian feminist.
“there are many, many studies on queer people and domestic abuse in the US, which consistently find comparable rates of abuse, and only one from China which finds discrepant ones.”
And this is proven to be a big fat lie by the links I provided.
Not that we honest people didn’t already know that you are prepared to lie all the way because of your ideological commitment.